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		<title>Comment on Blog the Religions by Jer</title>
		<link>http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/blog-the-religions/#comment-3459</link>
		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It seems that the Christian groups don’t really care about those things so much as being completely focused on people following their conservative version of morality and belief in Christianity.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s it.  Or rather, I think that&#039;s a side effect and not a root cause.

There have always been people who were positive that sometime in the past there was a wonderful Golden Age and that as we get further and further from that time, things get worse.  It doesn&#039;t matter if things seem objectively better now than they were a century ago, or fifty years ago, or whatever.  What matters is that once things were perfect and now they&#039;re not.

Christianity has made this a tenet of faith with the whole idea of The Fall.  But the Greeks believed something pretty much the same and independent of the Hebrew scriptures.  (I wonder sometimes if there was cross-pollination one way or the other, or if they both developed it independently.  I could see it working either way.)

I personally think it comes from the fact that when we&#039;re kids things are &quot;objectively&quot; better than when we&#039;re adults.  Most of us have few worries, our world is sufficiently small in size that there are few &quot;mysteries&quot; about it, and we have protectors who guard us from anything bad that could happen to us.  As we get older we find out that the world isn&#039;t like that at all, and to some degree with miss the security of that world.  The more well off a society is, the more that attitude breeds.  My suspicion is that the whole idea of a Golden Age and &quot;times were better then&quot; attitude is a projection of that insecurity onto the world as a whole.

(I&#039;ve also noticed that the more conservative someone is, the more they believe that &quot;times were better/simpler back then&quot;.  I think that&#039;s just inherent in conservatism as a whole - they hate/fear change and want it to happen as little as possible.  The past was better for them because no one argued about the stuff that people want to change now - everyone agreed with the &quot;conservative&quot; position.  Hence better.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems that the Christian groups don’t really care about those things so much as being completely focused on people following their conservative version of morality and belief in Christianity.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s it.  Or rather, I think that&#8217;s a side effect and not a root cause.</p>
<p>There have always been people who were positive that sometime in the past there was a wonderful Golden Age and that as we get further and further from that time, things get worse.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if things seem objectively better now than they were a century ago, or fifty years ago, or whatever.  What matters is that once things were perfect and now they&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>Christianity has made this a tenet of faith with the whole idea of The Fall.  But the Greeks believed something pretty much the same and independent of the Hebrew scriptures.  (I wonder sometimes if there was cross-pollination one way or the other, or if they both developed it independently.  I could see it working either way.)</p>
<p>I personally think it comes from the fact that when we&#8217;re kids things are &#8220;objectively&#8221; better than when we&#8217;re adults.  Most of us have few worries, our world is sufficiently small in size that there are few &#8220;mysteries&#8221; about it, and we have protectors who guard us from anything bad that could happen to us.  As we get older we find out that the world isn&#8217;t like that at all, and to some degree with miss the security of that world.  The more well off a society is, the more that attitude breeds.  My suspicion is that the whole idea of a Golden Age and &#8220;times were better then&#8221; attitude is a projection of that insecurity onto the world as a whole.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve also noticed that the more conservative someone is, the more they believe that &#8220;times were better/simpler back then&#8221;.  I think that&#8217;s just inherent in conservatism as a whole &#8211; they hate/fear change and want it to happen as little as possible.  The past was better for them because no one argued about the stuff that people want to change now &#8211; everyone agreed with the &#8220;conservative&#8221; position.  Hence better.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blog the Religions by 10 November 09 (am) &#171; blueollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 November 09 (am) &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] poverty, longevity, disease control, the lessening of slavery), the world is getting better.  But on the whole, Christians don&#8217;t think so. I wonder if they miss the days of inquisitions or [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Bill Donohue is condemning who? by John Moeller</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, I *love* hearing Bill Donohue skewer himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, I *love* hearing Bill Donohue skewer himself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saint Matthew&#8217;s Churches: a scam by tinyfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinyfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea.  I&#039;m still on their mailing list.  At least I know they&#039;re wasting paper and postage whenever they mail me something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea.  I&#8217;m still on their mailing list.  At least I know they&#8217;re wasting paper and postage whenever they mail me something.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Newspaper Reader Voices Opinion on Atheists by tom</title>
		<link>http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/newspaper-reader-voices-opinion-on-atheists/#comment-3453</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://atheism.about.com/b/2007/02/23/you-have-freedom-of-religion-not-freedom-of-no-religion.htm

I find it rather disgusting that the Clarion printed this letter, hoax or not, just to see what kind of reaction they would get.</description>
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<p>I find it rather disgusting that the Clarion printed this letter, hoax or not, just to see what kind of reaction they would get.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saint Matthew&#8217;s Churches: a scam by james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do you get removed from their mailing list. they are so fake.  bad name they give in the name of God.
desperate...
any comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do you get removed from their mailing list. they are so fake.  bad name they give in the name of God.<br />
desperate&#8230;<br />
any comments</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saint Matthew&#8217;s Churches: a scam by james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do you get removed from their mailing list. they are so fake.  bad name they give in the name of God.
desperate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do you get removed from their mailing list. they are so fake.  bad name they give in the name of God.<br />
desperate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Miracles prove God exists by believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry i mean choose* not chose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry i mean choose* not chose</p>
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		<title>Comment on Miracles prove God exists by believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question: Why would a god who claims to be self-sufficient, who has no needs or wants, actually chose to drink milk? 

Like some of you have said that it&#039;s to prove a point, to show a miracle to the ignorant but why such a miracle that makes the so-called-god&#039;s actions seem almost human? (ie human/animal drinking milk). If God started drinking milk like the rest of us then he must do a lot of other things that us humans do...then such a god is no less a human being than you and i are. Which boils down to the fact that God is far above human that&#039;s why he&#039;s God. 

Those are just my two-cents. I chose not to disrespect anyone or their respective religions. 

And I totally agree with Scott! &quot;Let grace do the work, and be happy living what you know to be true.&quot; I couldn&#039;t have put it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question: Why would a god who claims to be self-sufficient, who has no needs or wants, actually chose to drink milk? </p>
<p>Like some of you have said that it&#8217;s to prove a point, to show a miracle to the ignorant but why such a miracle that makes the so-called-god&#8217;s actions seem almost human? (ie human/animal drinking milk). If God started drinking milk like the rest of us then he must do a lot of other things that us humans do&#8230;then such a god is no less a human being than you and i are. Which boils down to the fact that God is far above human that&#8217;s why he&#8217;s God. </p>
<p>Those are just my two-cents. I chose not to disrespect anyone or their respective religions. </p>
<p>And I totally agree with Scott! &#8220;Let grace do the work, and be happy living what you know to be true.&#8221; I couldn&#8217;t have put it better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Miracles prove God exists by Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miracles don&#039;t prove that God exists.  They aren&#039;t meant to prove that God exists.  Think about the etimology of the word: the Latin &quot;miror, mirare&quot; means wonder or awe.  They&#039;re meant to invoke wonder and awe in those who already believe in God, in order to strengthen their faith.  You can&#039;t make someone believe that a miracle is true, especially not by name calling, so don&#039;t try.  Let grace do the work, and be happy living what you know to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miracles don&#8217;t prove that God exists.  They aren&#8217;t meant to prove that God exists.  Think about the etimology of the word: the Latin &#8220;miror, mirare&#8221; means wonder or awe.  They&#8217;re meant to invoke wonder and awe in those who already believe in God, in order to strengthen their faith.  You can&#8217;t make someone believe that a miracle is true, especially not by name calling, so don&#8217;t try.  Let grace do the work, and be happy living what you know to be true.</p>
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